Monday, October 22, 2007


THE REVIEW has a number of online news sites. All postings are made to the Undernews site and then, according to subject matter, reposted on other sites such as Ecology & Nature, Just Politics and Freedom Watch. If you post a comment on any one of these sites it will not show up on the others unless you have reposted it there just as we do with the items - which is why some of you are having a hard time finding your comments and sending us angry notes about it.


At October 22, 2007 4:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


I can't speak for anyone else, but I am 100% certain that I only read and post on the Undernews page.

I frequently participate in discussion of a particular article and then find that on the next day the article still shows a number of comments, but, when I click on the comment link, there is no longer anything there.

Also, there are times when I click on comments, while at Undernews, and I get taken to an alternate comment page with one of the topic headings. The site definitely does not work cleanly in the way you describe in this item. We are not idiots out here. Please trust us to know what we're talking about and get someone to work on this issue.

At October 22, 2007 5:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree completely.

Sam, if you operate in privileged mode, the site might well work as you describe---for you! But that is not how it works for us proles. For us, it works as we have repeatedly described.

The post at the top of the page right now (OCEANS FOUND TO BE ABSORBING FAR LESS CARBON DIOXIDE), is a case in point. It's visible with an Undernews header, but when we click on comments it shifts us to the Ecology and Nature header (with whatever that implies).

If we click to post a comment at that point, the page that comes up is entirely different, graphically, to the usual Undernews page such as the one I am using at this moment. Graphically, it looks like it comes from an older version.

One of the nastiest problems in software is "version skew", the canonical expression of which is upgrading a main program to (say) v2.3 but not upgrading the libraries. So your main program is now at v2.3 and naturally expects v2.3 libraries and thinks that that's what it's talking to. But in fact it's talking to v2.2, or v2.0 or v1.9 or some other older version of the libraries. So nothing works quite as it should. The old software is still close enough that everything mostly works, but some pieces aren't quite doing what the main program thinks they're doing.

Try it in non-privileged mode. You might get a realisation.


At October 22, 2007 6:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trust me, Sam--the above two posters are correct.

I wrote one of the irritated notes you received about this problem this morning (Mon., Oct. 22nd).

If I write any angry letter regarding a problem, it's because I perceive that there IS an actual problem--not just for the hell of it, or because I have nothing better to do with my time. I'm sure that's true of the other complainants here as well, regarding the busted software issue.

Show your readers slightly more respect than what's implied above, please, next go 'round.

At October 23, 2007 3:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's a specific example for you. I am currently on the Undernews page. There is a story below headlined "Why Hasn't Edwards Done Better?" It shows 12 comments. When you click the comment link, it suddenly shows 2 comments, and if you look at the header for the page it now says Just Politics rather than Undernews.

At October 24, 2007 4:45 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

And yet a third example: the piece on Al Krebs. It shows one comment under Undernews, but when I try to read it, I get taken to Just Politics where the comment is invisible.


At October 24, 2007 5:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yet another example: "Is Colbert breaking campaign laws" shows 1 comment under Undernews, but clicking takes me to Just Politics, where there are 2 comments. But I'm now sure that neither of them is the comment counted on the Undernews page.



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